Here we are again, I swear this is the last.
Using Elon to prop up the argument, but he isn’t the target in this case.
Of course he’s using this as yet another political leverage. This time it’s slightly less questionable since it’s a topic worth of discussion. But as it happens with everything worth discussing, then the quality of the discussion matters.
This is about the case of Imane Khelif at the Olympics. Elon obviously “opposes this”, as most Republicans, the important part is to define what is exactly that is being opposed and why.
Here’s the argument is “men don’t belong in women’s sport.” That’s the slogan, let’s see what’s behind it. This image obviously depicts a woman. She’s not Imane, she’s instead the italian athlete who lost to her and rose the whole controversy. So, just to put things in a simpler way, the thesis is that Imane Khelif is a “man”, therefore she should be disqualified. We are at the level of pure analysis here, no opinions involved.
…Well. I agree? This is wrong. There must be something wrong, obviously, since that headline is quite absurd “Male boxer declared winner in women’s boxing match.”
In this case Elon is just grooming as always and only expressing disconcert, so he isn’t actually openly lying about some fact.
A quick trip in the comments of course lets you take a nice sniff of the cesspit:
And so on across all comments.
Dudes… She ISN’T trans. He isn’t trans, whatever. This simply isn’t a person who’s born in a way and transitioned A to B. It’s just plain false and it takes 10 seconds to verify. I don’t call Elon Musk out here because he didn’t directly make the false claim.
She’s just not trans, it’s not an opinion.
So what’s the matter? This is a born woman who produces high testosterone levels. Naturally. Do you want to make rules against this? Okay, but that’s what the discussion is about then. Do you want to “tweak” the definition of what a “woman” is? Okay, it’s just a word. But in the case of transgender issues it’s quite obvious that right-wing parties are adamant about what one is born with. Are you born with a dick? You’re a man. Are you born with a vagina? You’re a woman. This is what most Republicans would agree with. Ok?
This athlete who you are now criticizing, is born with a vagina.
So, if you now want to turn around the story into “this is a man”, then you at least need to provide a different definition of what a man is. Because apparently being born with a vagina isn’t sufficient anymore to be considered a woman.
Again, the problem with these idiots isn’t that they have different opinions, but that they are so stupid that they will eventually contradict themselves. The reality of the world will always smash against their ugly faces: you just need to be patient and wait. It’s never about two parties fighting, it’s not about opinions. It’s just about fighting reality because you are a dumb, arrogant idiot.
Do you want to change rules in sport? Okay, these rules need to be at least rational, so that it’s possible to apply them in practice. If your definition of what man and woman are is ambiguous and contradictory, then you aren’t going anywhere. Kamala notwithstanding.
So do you want to change rules? Ok, how?
Should have Michael Phelps been disqualified because his body was conformed in a way that gave him physical advantage? Should NBA players be disqualified when they go past a certain height, so to keep a more even field for everyone else?
Sports, in general, is the domain of the exceptional. We celebrate world records, not better averages. We celebrate exceptions, natural talents honed through hard work. We remember winners, not losers.
So, in a realm where exception and exceptionalism are celebrated, how do you define a “norm”? You can of course, it’s an open debate. There’s also the fact that these events exist to make money, so you want to enhance that exceptionalism.
I propose that we measure the testosterone of ALL women athletes, then configure a point system so that the performance is then multiplied by a factor set by those testosterone levels. It’s an actual proposal. It would probably create a more even playing field. But is it reasonable? Of course not. If you turn sport into accurate science you end up essentially with a mathematical equation. Even in the case this would be possible, it doesn’t make for interesting, fun spectacle to watch.
So what do you want, exactly?
That person is not trans. Definitely not a “man” either, unless gender is now solely determined by hormone levels. Hello, medication then allows you to switch genders, is this what you want? It’s an actually complex matter, can’t be solved with a convenient slogan.
I’ll just be here, observing. Laughing again when reality eventually comes and smashes all the teeth off your face.
Welcome to reality, loser.
Always funny when it becomes an infight. Enjoy your racism.
EDIT: There’s some actual complexity coming out of this. To be correct I’ll report everything known up to this point.
The discussion is moving from the false accusation of being transgender, to having XY chromosome. Yet another yardstick, I guess. But does this have some basis?
Yes and no. The fact that it is all unconfirmed and currently impossible to prove one way or the other. I’ll post the relevant excerpts:
Who’s Umar Kremlev? …Wellll
Another nice guy, although this isn’t a “proof”, especially if you share certain views. The actual public facts are these:
That was the russian-2023 case, the current one, though, is still somewhat ambiguous:
Whatever you opinion is, the facts here indicate that “having YX” chromosomes is an accusation that hasn’t been proven at this time. One way or another. It’s still up to debate if this can be yet another rule to use to determine whether someone can participate or not. As I said, it’s a legitimate debate, and a legitimate choice.
Summary: she is not transgender. She naturally producer higher testosterone levels. It’s currently unknown whether or not she has XY chromosomes due to the confidential nature of the tests.
EDIT 2: I started saying this wasn’t targeting Elon Musk specifically, since he didn’t directly share explicitly false claims… But wait long enough and he ends up openly endorsing even the blatant fake news part:
Zero integrity, if there ever was a doubt.
