{"id":2061,"date":"2011-10-11T04:50:13","date_gmt":"2011-10-11T11:50:13","guid":{"rendered":""},"modified":"2011-10-12T17:41:00","modified_gmt":"2011-10-13T00:41:00","slug":"","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cesspit.net\/drupal\/node\/2061\/","title":{"rendered":"Kabbalah VS other religions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.cesspit.net\/misc\/kab12.jpg\" class=\"center\"><\/img><\/p>\n<p>This post has no answers and only doubts, but reading it you&#8217;d see what is that Kabbalah is (or wants to be). This is an &#8220;answer&#8221; to the 12th self-study lesson (a introductory study) and it contains my doubts about it. To see the self-study you&#8217;d have to <a href=\"http:\/\/edu.kabbalah.info\/self-study\">register here<\/a>, for free. There are 14 lessons in that self-study.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve also included the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cesspit.net\/misc\/kabbalah-revealed-12.wmv\">12th lesson<\/a> (about 25 minutes) if one doesn&#8217;t want to go through that registration, but I actually encourage you to register and watch the rest as it&#8217;s all quite interesting and at least enriching.<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;<br \/>\nI was rewatching lesson 12 of the self-study and got some doubts. I know that Kabbalah can&#8217;t be understood simply logically, but as long I&#8217;m not &#8220;there&#8221; I still have to relate to it with my own logic and the ideas I get from the lessons.<\/p>\n<p>It seems to me that the difference between Kabbalah and other religions is not the one described in that video. The difference I understand is that Kabbalah is entirely about spirituality, so it isn&#8217;t interested about the physical world. This marks a true difference with all other religions as all religions (as far as I know) do have systems of rules that apply to corporeality. From what you can or can&#8217;t eat to when and how you should pray. Even anthropologically all religions were &#8220;meant&#8221; to regulate the corporeal world and build a certain society.<\/p>\n<p>But instead I can&#8217;t stop my doubts about what is explained in the video. I only know well Christianity since it&#8217;s where I&#8217;m born but, while the people could certainly believe that it&#8217;s about <a href=\"http:\/\/rsbakker.wordpress.com\/speculative-musings\/somebody-is-going-to-kill-you\/\">&#8220;bribing God&#8221;<\/a>, that&#8217;s not a good representation of that religion, and the real one isn&#8217;t very different from how the Kabbalistic model is described.<\/p>\n<p>The part that gives me the doubts is that one could say that the Kabbalistic process is equally &#8220;delusional&#8221;. As long the upper light is invariable and the events also invariable (so what changes is solely the self), then it means that the pain itself can&#8217;t be stopped or diverted. The pain is instead &#8220;understood&#8221;, as one, through bestowal, would perceive the &#8220;long range&#8221;, so the wider purpose beside the egoistical self.<\/p>\n<p>Which essentially would lead one to &#8220;endure&#8221; the pains of life in the name of a greater purpose that says: there&#8217;s indeed a purpose, and it is good willed. One could see his sons killed in front of him, or go through great pains, but always knowing that there&#8217;s a &#8220;meaning&#8221;, and that life is eternal.<\/p>\n<p>So it is true that the suffering is always relative to a perspective, and if one shifts the perspective a momentary suffering becomes bearable. Through life eternal all suffering is bearable as it is momentary. But both these ideas are essentially &#8220;consolatory&#8221; and Kabbalah would be defined itself as consolatory, as it is all based on two principles that regulate the rest:<\/p>\n<p>1- That life is eternal (and so suffering momentary)<br \/>\n2- That God is good willed, and everything happens for a purpose<\/p>\n<p>If one had the CERTAINTY of those two points, then it is true that pain would be bearable. But isn&#8217;t this perspective consolatory and delusional? As you can&#8217;t change what happens to you (invariable upper light and events) you have to &#8220;endure&#8221; it, hoping there&#8217;s a good willed purpose even when everything looks very bleak.<\/p>\n<p>The other difference between the Kabbalah and religion is that in religion the salvation or the enlightenment, more often than not, happen after death. So they are &#8220;promises&#8221; of salvation or enlightenment, and one lives with the &#8220;hope&#8221; that they are true, clinging desperately to these ideas as they can only justify the pain of life, and give life a sense.<\/p>\n<p>Kabbalah is different as the promise of attaining the &#8220;upper world&#8221; is here and right now. You say it&#8217;s a &#8220;science&#8221; as it has to be experienced and attained personally, first hand. It&#8217;s not a theory or an abstract idea. But the skepticism here is about &#8220;when&#8221;. One listens to the video courses, reads the books and slowly understands what is Kabbalah, but what&#8217;s that ideal point that brings back up to that &#8220;tangible certainty&#8221;? The distinguishable certainty that Kabbalah is a science and not a consolatory delusion?<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m explaining the subjective point of view: one comes to Kabbalah trying to learn, but learning leads me to define these ideas of life eternal and purpose as &#8220;consolatory&#8221;. This can only be solved through a certainty. In other religion you achieve that certainty through &#8220;faith&#8221;, but in Kabbalah faith is not required, as having doubts and asking questions is encouraged (as in science). I am right there.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This post has no answers and only doubts, but reading it you&#8217;d see what is that Kabbalah is (or wants to be). This is an &#8220;answer&#8221; to the 12th self-study lesson (a introductory study) and it contains my doubts about it. To see the self-study you&#8217;d have to register here, for free. 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