A quote from Haemish:
A lot of what we liked in EQ was the (what we thought at the time) great group of people around us playing it with us. We had fun in spite of the game’s flaws, because we had fun people to be around.
Then we found the bitter, hollow pill at the center of the Shitsie Pop, these people turned into lewt-whoring assholes, and the game didn’t give us much else to do but whore lewtz.
Vanguard will be different, in that we (or I) won’t have the group of people together anymore.
I think this fits in the debate as well.